"What we understand by mind, or cognition, is the result of a very complex interaction between the elements that constitute the living body, where these continuously adjust their relations through time and in an ongoing exchange with the environment (Bateson 1972; Maturana and Varela 1980)."
"Plants also sense and perceive fluctuations in their environments, registering several kinds of environmental cues and multiple interactions among these simultaneously (Trevawas 2003, 2004, 2005; Karban 2015). These are not merely phenomena of sensation and perception, of signaling and communication, but that they could constitute part of extended plant cognition (EPC)."
TIFR CUBE conversational learning transcripts :
[10/27, 10:40 PM] Rakesh Biswas: Can we use this 👇
as a model system for plant meta cognition
[10/28, 4:38 AM] Nagarjun Thota: Mirabilis Jalapa expressing Codominance or incomplete dominance.. differing from mendel’s theory.. does environment affect expression of genes!!? I was very fond of this plant in younger ages.. especially due to its grenade shaped seeds😁.. one observation made was it’s seeds get thinner as days go on.. my opinion this plant can be a potential subject for plant cognition and gene expression studies.. any cubist interested to pitch in..collaborate for gene expression studies??
[10/28, 4:41 AM] Nagarjun Thota: Long back picture took on 28.04.2019 at chattisgarh by Dr Nagarjun.. currently I’m not holding any seeds of it.. need to search like we did for Cardamine
[10/28, 4:45 AM] Nagarjun Thota: Also did you remember we discussing about red and non red varieties among various plants.. anyone up to collaborate.. can observe for uniparental inheritance and environmental effects..
[10/28, 4:46 AM] Nagarjun Thota: https://www.nature.com/
[10/28, 4:47 AM] Nagarjun Thota: Further can explore on non-nuclear gene expressions..
[10/28, 7:11 AM] Himanshu Joshi Cube Nimhans: Good to know about the expression of co dominance or incomplete dominance ( I guess the colour of flowers), which makes this plant an exception to mendel theory..
Why does this happen? Does mirabilis Jalapa inheritance through non nuclear genes?
If yes then *Inheritence without nuclear genes* sounds interesting!
But how exactly does it happen in this plant.
How can you introduce *plant cognition* in this regard?
@Nagarjun Thota
[10/28, 8:07 AM] Prof Farhan : This plant is common in Mumbai, in fact even I used to cross pollinate manually and then collect their seeds to study expression of flower colour. It's amazing to work with this plant. Flowers come in different colors.
[10/28, 8:43 AM] Prof Arunan TIFR CUBE : Let's *get hold of seeds of this plant* and simultaneously understand *what you mean by Plant Cognition*.😇 @Nagarjun Thota
[10/28, 4:43 PM] Urmi : This is amazing. This whitefly, a herbivorous insect acquires a plant gene by HGT to neutralise plant’s defence to itself.
[10/28, 6:59 PM] Rakesh Biswas: Earlier discussion around this in this group last year archived here👇
The metapsych meta cognition connection between plant and animal intelligence?
Animal model :
Snail :
[10/26, 10:13 PM] CUBE chatshala : Today we are discussed the feeding behavior of a snail.
Previous discussions archived here :
[10/27, 7:56 AM] Rakesh Biswas: This will become an animal model for our ongoing medical metapsych metacognition project.
Original article here👇
Human :
Other than routine medical cognition tools of system 1 eyeballing pattern recognition, we use routine tools of system 2 asynchronous intelligence aka primordial AI aka academic learning to solve real patient problems.
Developing the Medical metacognition problem statement at the beginning of the introduction to all our ongoing projects is because, it's at the core of all our projects using both system 1 and 2 cognitive processing:
System 2 thinking began as an asynchronous academic tool to make communication and thinking slower to suit our individual workflows.
However this essence of academics also makes our three dimensional existential reality two dimensional as that helps to somehow better analyze our three dimensional existence manifest in daily random events and even manipulate the randomness toward apparently improved outcome events.
Of all the routine system 2 tools, we have been largely enamoured by a few that we have written about in the past and continue to use them daily in our community patient follow up and family adoption through online PaJR groups which are the online components of our case based blended learning ecosystem CBBLE and the two have evolved from what has been often described in the past as "user driven healthcare" which has it's own big fat text book here : https://www.amazon.in/User-
as well as had a journal with the same name since 2011 here: https://www.igi-global.
More about our tryst with "using medical cognition tools to optimize clinical complexity" in this 2023 guest lecture at AIIMS, Bhopal archived here: https://
Ethical clearance obtained for this major project stem here : http://medicinedepartment.
Clinical professional development CPD organized on the theme of optimizing clinical complexity is
archived here: medicinedepartment.
Completed and published medical cognition projects :
Clinical complexity and PaJR tools 2023: https://pubmed.ncbi.
CBBLE 2018: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.
Five ongoing old projects on the above theme :
1) Creating dynamic user driven ontologies : http://userdrivenhealthcare.
2) Medical cognition tool CBBLE : http://userdrivenhealthcare.
3) System 1 eyeballing and pattern recognition : http://userdrivenhealthcare.
4) PaJR : http://userdrivenhealthcare.
5) Collective, user driven conversational contextual peer review of real time open access research submissions and creation of dynamic user driven learning community ontologies UDLCO
Partly completed : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.
Full text link: https://www.mjdrdypv.org/
Current journal UDLCO :
Dr Tella Shruthi :
Ongoing projects previously shared in 2021 in the dsir template on request :
We can broadly divide our "medical cognition" into the right and left path.
The right path projects are reasonably understandable from a modern perspective, while the left path projects are slightly post modern and may not be included in the offical departmental lists although they will still be linked appropriately in case someone visiting this site is curious.
More : http://medicinedepartment.
