Summary: This UDLCO CRH report below draws upon a single patient project data with clinical complexity archived here: https://
Key words glossary: https://
Abbreviations: cm: CBBLE moderator
CBBLE: linked to glossary
ptm: PaJR team member
PaJR: linked to glossary
Conversational Transcripts:
[28/05, 09:34]cm: Participatory medical cognition Web 2.0-3.0:
In the context of this patient's current therapeutic uncertainty surrounding her hordeolum (assuming we have conclusively resolved the initial diagnostic uncertainty around it's being internal or external) here's a Web 3.0 chat with perplexity on this issue that highlights the fall back options from supposed higher hierarchies of evidence (phase 3 trials) to guideline driven evidence based on phase 1 trial driven pathophysiologic rationale, particularly important in carrying forward the insights from our recent build up to newer designs
Conversational AI Transcripts:
Addressing therapeutic uncertainty
[28/05, 09:01]cm: What is the evidence of efficacy for oral doxycycline to prevent internal hordeolum?
[28/05, 09:01] Perplexity: There’s actually *no solid evidence* that oral doxycycline helps prevent or treat internal hordeolum (stye). Large studies show that adding oral or topical antibiotics (including doxycycline) to conservative treatments like warm compresses doesn’t improve outcomes for hordeolum compared to conservative care alone.
Doxycycline is sometimes used for chronic eyelid inflammation or in special cases (like rosacea-related issues), but for routine hordeolum, it’s not proven to help. Have you or someone you know been prescribed doxycycline for a stye? 👀
[28/05, 09:19]cm: Can you share any link to a randomised controlled trial between any antibiotic and placebo in internal hordeolum (are they same as external hordeolums) to show that antibiotics are no better than placebo or hot compress in internal hordeolum?
[28/05, 09:19] Perplexity: There are *no randomized controlled trials* comparing antibiotics (oral or topical) with placebo or hot compresses for internal hordeolum—so there’s no high-quality evidence that antibiotics work better than conservative treatment. Most guidelines recommend warm compresses as first-line, and antibiotics are only considered for severe or non-resolving cases.
Also, internal hordeolum (infection of the Meibomian glands) is *not the same* as external hordeolum (stye), which affects glands near the eyelashes.
Would you like more info on how to manage a stubborn hordeolum? 😊
[28/05, 09:21]cm: So antibiotics are considered then in stubborn internal or external hordeolums? What's the difference in the management between these two?
[28/05, 09:21] Perplexity: Yes, antibiotics—usually oral—are considered in stubborn or severe cases of both internal and external hordeolums, especially if there’s spreading infection or preseptal cellulitis. For most cases, though, warm compresses are the main treatment, and antibiotics are only used if the hordeolum doesn’t resolve or gets worse.
*Management differences:*
1. *Internal hordeolum* (deeper, Meibomian gland): More likely to need oral antibiotics and sometimes incision and drainage if not improving.
2. *External hordeolum* (superficial, Zeis gland): Usually resolves with compresses; topical antibiotics may be used if draining or recurrent, but oral antibiotics are rarely needed unless severe.
So, the main difference is internal hordeolums are deeper and more likely to need oral antibiotics if stubborn, while externals are usually milder and treated conservatively. Want tips on the best way to do warm compresses? 😊
[28/05, 09:23]cm: Which oral antibiotics would be better for internal hordeolum? Are their any studies that you can share to provide insights on which oral antibiotics would be better?
[28/05, 09:23] Perplexity: For stubborn internal hordeolum, oral antibiotics like cephalexin, amoxicillin (with or without clavulanic acid), doxycycline, erythromycin, and Bactrim DS are commonly used, mainly because they cover staph bacteria—the usual culprits. Cephalexin and amoxicillin/clavulanic acid are often first-line, especially for soft tissue infections, while doxycycline is sometimes chosen for its anti-inflammatory properties, particularly if there's underlying chronic eyelid inflammation.
However, there are *no high-quality randomized controlled trials* directly comparing oral antibiotics for internal hordeolum or showing superiority of one over another—most recommendations are based on general soft tissue infection management and clinical experience, not head-to-head studies. So, choice of antibiotic usually depends on patient allergies, local resistance patterns, and severity.
Want to know about typical dosing or how long to take these antibiotics? 😊
[28/05, 09:24]cm: Please share the URLs to the studies that recommended the antibiotics you mentioned above
[28/05, 09:24] Perplexity: Here are some sources that discuss oral antibiotics used for internal hordeolum, though none are randomized controlled trials directly comparing different antibiotics or showing one is better than another:
1. *Cephalexin (Keflex)* and *azithromycin* are recommended for larger or more painful internal hordeola, especially if warm compresses alone don’t help. This article suggests cephalexin 500mg twice daily, and alternatives like azithromycin or levofloxacin for those with allergies.
2. *Doxycycline* is also used, especially for chronic or inflammatory lid disease—usually 50-100mg twice daily for 2-3 weeks.
3. *Erythromycin* and *Bactrim DS* are sometimes considered, but again, this is based on general practice for skin and soft tissue infections, not specific head-to-head trials for hordeolum.
You can read more in these articles:
- [Review of Optometry: How and Why to Use Oral Meds]
- [Review of Optometry: When A Drop Isn’t Enough]
- [SDEyes: Simplifying Systemic Antibiotics (PDF)]
- [Medscape: Hordeolum Medication]
Let me know if you want a summary of what these sources say about dosing or duration! 👀
[28/05, 09:38]ptm1: Very interesting. Looks like we need to have different levels of acceptance of what constitutes evidence. And web 3.0 makes this possible.
[28/05, 09:39]ptm2: **Comprehensive Analysis of Therapeutic Options for Internal Hordeolum**
### **1. Evidence for Oral Doxycycline in Hordeolum**
- **Lack of High-Quality Evidence**: No randomized controlled trials (RCTs) support the efficacy of oral doxycycline (or other antibiotics) for treating or preventing internal hordeola. Studies show antibiotics do not outperform conservative measures like warm compresses (source: Perplexity transcript, Medscape guidelines).
- **Off-Label Use Rationale**: Doxycycline is occasionally used in chronic cases due to its anti-inflammatory properties, particularly in patients with concurrent conditions like rosacea or meibomian gland dysfunction. This is based on mechanistic reasoning (phase 1/2 trial logic) rather than phase 3 trial data.
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### **2. Guideline-Driven Management**
- **First-Line Therapy**:
- **Warm Compresses**: 10–15 minutes, 3–4 times daily. Mechanistically improves blood flow and promotes drainage.
- **Eyelid Hygiene**: Gentle scrubs with diluted baby shampoo or commercial lid wipes.
- **Antibiotics in Stubborn Cases**:
- **Indications**: Lack of improvement after 48–72 hours, signs of spreading infection (e.g., preseptal cellulitis), or recurrent hordeola.
- **Empirical Choices**:
- **First-Line**: Cephalexin (500mg BID) or amoxicillin/clavulanate (875/125mg BID) for broad-spectrum coverage against *Staphylococcus* spp.
- **Alternatives**: Doxycycline (50–100mg BID) for anti-inflammatory benefits, azithromycin (if compliance is an issue), or Bactrim DS (for MRSA coverage in high-risk regions).
- **Duration**: Typically 7–10 days, extended to 2–3 weeks for chronic inflammation.
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### **3. Internal vs. External Hordeola: Key Differences**
| **Feature** | **Internal Hordeolum** | **External Hordeolum** |
|----------------------------|
| **Anatomy** | Meibomian gland (deeper) | Zeis/gland of Moll (superficial) |
| **Severity** | More likely to require oral antibiotics | Often resolves with compresses alone |
| **Complications** | Higher risk of cellulitis or abscess | Rarely progresses |
| **Procedural Needs** | May require incision & drainage if persistent | Rarely needed |
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### **4. Hierarchy of Evidence in Clinical Decision-Making**
- **Phase 3 Trials**: Absent for hordeolum management. Current guidelines rely on:
- **Lower-Level Evidence**: Retrospective studies, case series (e.g., Medscape, Review of Optometry articles).
- **Pathophysiologic Rationale**: Antibiotics target *Staphylococcus* spp. (common pathogens), while doxycycline’s MMP inhibition may reduce glandular blockage.
- **Fallback Strategy**: When RCTs are unavailable, guidelines prioritize safety, mechanistic plausibility, and expert consensus (Web 3.0 "participatory cognition" principle).
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### **5. Practical Recommendations**
- **Stepwise Approach**:
1. Conservative measures first (warm compresses + hygiene).
2. Oral antibiotics if no improvement or systemic signs (e.g., fever, erythema).
3. Incision & drainage for fluctuant, non-resolving lesions.
- **Patient Counseling**: Emphasize adherence to compresses; avoid squeezing the lesion.
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### **6. Research Gaps & Future Directions**
- **Unmet Needs**: RCTs comparing antibiotics vs. placebo in internal hordeola.
- **Innovative Designs**: Adaptive trials or real-world evidence (RWE) platforms leveraging AI/Web 3.0 tools to aggregate global case data.
**Conclusion**: While oral doxycycline lacks robust evidence for hordeola, its use in refractory cases is guided by pathophysiologic rationale and clinical experience. Conservative management remains cornerstone therapy.
While the above article link focuses on the different therapeutic approaches to internal vs external hordeolum, I guess we need to also represent how the other members in PaJR group from other specialities were in a state of diagnostic uncertainty (okay maybe it was just me) about localising her ocular inflammation, when the PaJR opthalmologist's expert opinion took them on the right diagnostic and therapeutic path.
Addressing Diagnostic uncertainty
[31/07, 10:27]cm: @ pm1-pmn, need your help to dissect and find an answer to the question at the bottom👇
[30/07, 09:30] https://medicinedepartment.blogspot.com/2025/05/udlco-crh-internal-vs-external.html?m=1
[30/07, 17:24] PaJR ophthalmologist: I don't really understand why there would be any diagnostic dilemma between internal and external hordeolum.
[31/07, 10:23]cm1: Yes while the above article link focuses on the different therapeutic approaches to internal vs external hordeolum, I guess we need to also represent how the other members in PaJR group from other specialities were in a state of diagnostic uncertainty (okay maybe it was just me) about localising her ocular inflammation, when the PaJR opthalmologist's expert opinion took them on the right diagnostic and therapeutic path.
However we do need to retrospectively revisit why the group didn't get the diagnosis of internal hordeolum initially
[31/07, 11:20) LLM : # Diagnostic Uncertainty in Internal versus External Hordeolum
**Main Takeaway:** Internal hordeola often present with deep, non-visible abscesses that mimic chalazia or other eyelid lesions; without careful lid eversion and appreciation of subtle clinical signs, non-ophthalmologists may mislocalize the inflammation, delaying accurate diagnosis and appropriate management.
## 1. Anatomical and Clinical Differences
An external hordeolum involves acute infection of the glands of Zeis or Moll at the lash line, producing a visible pustule on the eyelid margin. In contrast, an internal hordeolum is an abscess of a meibomian gland within the tarsal plate.
- External hordeolum: superficial, presents as a tender “pimple” on eyelid edge.
- Internal hordeolum: deep, may manifest only as eyelid swelling, without obvious margin pustule; requires lid eversion to visualize a tarsal conjunctival point [1][2].
Because internal hordeola are **less conspicuous**, they can be mistaken for:
- Chalazion (lipogranulomatous reaction, often painless)[3]
- Conjunctivitis-related swelling
- Non-infectious blepharitis or cellulitis
## 2. Common Pitfalls Leading to Misdiagnosis
1. **Failure to evert the eyelid**
Without eversion, the tarsal conjunctival surface—where internal hordeola often point—remains unexamined. This step is emphasized in clinical guidelines but may be overlooked outside ophthalmology [4][5].
2. **Atypical pain and pustule location**
Internal hordeola may be more painful yet lack a visible external pustule, leading clinicians to underappreciate the abscess component and treat empirically as non-infectious eyelid inflammation [6].
3. **Overlap with chalazion features**
Early internal hordeola can evolve into chalazia if drainage is incomplete, blurring distinctions. Chalazia are typically non-tender, but inflamed chalazia may mimic internal styes [3].
4. **Insufficient familiarity with eyelid anatomy**
Non-ophthalmology specialists may not differentiate eyelid margin versus tarsal plate lesions, interpreting any eyelid swelling as external stye, dacryocystitis, or cellulitis [1][7].
## 3. Lessons from the PaJR Case
Retrospectively, group members without ophthalmic training likely focused on surface findings (erythema, swelling) and did not perform lid eversion. As a result:
- **Internal abscess was not visualized**, delaying recognition of purulent meibomian gland infection.
- Therapeutic choices (systemic versus topical antibiotics, incision and drainage approach) differed for external versus internal hordeolum, compounding uncertainty [link provided].
When the ophthalmologist performed a targeted examination—including **eyelid eversion**—the internal hordeolum was correctly localized, enabling appropriate incision and drainage under local anesthesia and rapid resolution.
## 4. Strategies to Prevent Diagnostic Uncertainty
1. **Standardize eyelid examination**
Always include eyelid eversion when evaluating any unilateral eyelid swelling accompanied by pain or tenderness.
2. **Differentiate by key clinical signs**
- Visualize pustule location: margin (external) versus tarsal conjunctiva (internal).
- Assess tenderness: internal hordeola tend to be more painful and longer lasting than external styes [6].
3. **Consider differential diagnoses early**
Include chalazion, cellulitis, dacryoadenitis, and neoplasm when lesions recur or fail to respond to routine warm compresses [7][8].
4. **Interdisciplinary education**
Brief training sessions for primary care and surgical colleagues on eyelid anatomy and hordeolum differentiation can reduce misdiagnosis.
**Conclusion:** Diagnostic uncertainty between internal and external hordeolum arises primarily from the hidden nature of internal meibomian abscesses and inadequate eyelid examination techniques. Incorporating eyelid eversion and awareness of internal presentations into routine practice ensures accurate localization, appropriate management, and faster patient recovery.
Citations:
[1] Stye and chalazion - Symptoms, diagnosis and treatment https://bestpractice.bmj.com/topics/en-us/214
[2] Differential Diagnosis for Persistent Internal and External Hordeolum https://www.droracle.ai/articles/125008/differential-for-persistent-internal-and-external-hordeolum-
[3] What Is the Difference Between a Stye and a Chalazion? https://www.aao.org/eye-health/diseases/what-are-chalazia-styes
[4] Hordeolum and chalazion - VisualDx https://www.visualdx.com/visualdx/diagnosis/hordeolum+and+chalazion?diagnosisId=54337&moduleId=101
[5] Diagnosis: A Hordeolum - Emergency Medicine News https://journals.lww.com/em-news/fulltext/2002/06000/diagnosis__a_hordeolum.8.aspx
[6] Non‐surgical interventions for acute internal hordeolum - PMC https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5370090/
[7] Chalazion Differential Diagnoses - Medscape Reference https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1212709-differential
[8] Hordeolum Workup: Laboratory Studies, Histologic Findings https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1213080-workup
[9] Internal Hordeolum (Stye): Symptoms, Treatment, and More https://myvision.org/eye-conditions/internal-hordeolum-stye/
[10] Chalazion vs. Stye : Causes, Symptoms, Diagnosis, and Treatment https://anushkaeye.com/chalazion-vs-stye-causes-symptoms-diagnosis-and-treatment/
[11] Internal Stye: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment - Cleveland Clinic https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/24478-internal-stye
[12] Chalazion | AOA https://www.aoa.org/healthy-eyes/eye-and-vision-conditions/chalazion
[13] Chalazion - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499889/
[14] What is the diagnosis and treatment for a hordeolum (stye)? https://www.droracle.ai/articles/15883/eye-stye-
[15] Hordeolum (Stye) - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459349/
[16] Eyelid Disorders: Diagnosis and Management - AAFP https://www.aafp.org/pubs/afp/issues/1998/0601/p2695.html
[17] Stye (Sty): What It Is, Causes, Symptoms & Treatment https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17658-stye
[31/07, 12:12] Dr.Abdulsalam Med Ed Leads: Based on the provided case discussion and clinical evidence, here's a concise dissection of the diagnostic uncertainty between internal and external hordeolum, along with key educational takeaways:
### **Why Diagnostic Uncertainty Occurs**
1. **Anatomical Overlap**:
- Both present as painful eyelid swellings with erythema
- Shared symptoms: tenderness, localized inflammation, possible discharge
2. **Examination Limitations**:
- Internal hordeolum requires lid eversion for visualization of meibomian gland involvement
- External hordeolum (Zeis/Moll glands) may be obscured by edema
- Without slit-lamp examination, differentiation becomes challenging
3. **Terminology Confusion**:
- "Stye" is often used interchangeably for both conditions
- Providers may lack awareness of anatomical distinctions
4. **Clinical Mimics**:
- Both can resemble chalazia, blepharitis, or preseptal cellulitis
- Recurrent cases blur diagnostic boundaries
### **Resolution Pathway (as demonstrated in case)**
1. **Specialist Intervention**:
- Ophthalmologist identified key differentiator: **Point of maximal inflammation**
- *External*: Anterior lid margin near lash line
- *Internal*: Posterior conjunctival surface (requiring lid eversion)
2. **Diagnostic Gold Standards**:
- External: Visualized abscess at lash follicle
- Internal: Palpebral conjunctival swelling + meibomian orifice pus
3. **Therapeutic Implications**:
```mermaid
graph LR
A[Lid Swelling] --> B{Can visualize abscess at lash base?}
B -->|Yes| C[External Hordeolum]
B -->|No| D[Evert Lid]
D --> E{Meibomian orifice pus?}
E -->|Yes| F[Internal Hordeolum]
E -->|No| G[Consider Chalazion/Cellulitis]
```
### **Preventing Future Diagnostic Errors**
1. **Essential Skills for Primary Care**:
- Master lid eversion technique
- Use focal light/magnification (e.g., ophthalmoscope)
- Document lesion location: "margin vs tarsal plate"
2. **Red Flags Requiring Referral**:
- No improvement after 48h warm compresses
- Visual changes
- Full-thickness lid edema
- Recurrent lesions
3. **Participatory Medicine Value**:
- Case demonstrates how cross-specialty collaboration (ophthalmology input) resolved uncertainty
- Digital tools enabled evidence-sharing about anatomical nuances
- Group cognition overcame individual knowledge gaps
**Conclusion**: Diagnostic uncertainty stems from anatomical complexity and examination barriers – not knowledge deficiency. The case highlights how combining physical exam skills (lid eversion) with specialist input creates diagnostic certainty. Future prevention requires training in lid examination techniques and clear referral pathways for ambiguous cases.
> *"The eye speaks with an eloquence and truthfulness surpassing speech."* - T.L. Cuyler
[31/07, 13:04]cm: It would be very useful @Dr. If the entire sequence of our discussion here: https://pajrcasereporter.blogspot.com/2024/12/44f-diabetes-nud-ccf-wb-pajr.html?m=1 and pinpoint the exact conversations where this diagnostic uncertainty between internal and external hordeolum was highlighted in the past conversations?
[31/07, 13:24]hu1: Tried Perplexity here.. can you give feedback as to whether this was factually incorrect or the explanation was too ambiguous?
[31/07, 13:43] LLM deep seek : Based on a thorough review of the entire case discussion spanning from December 2024 to May 2025, the diagnostic uncertainty between **internal vs. external hordeolum** was explicitly highlighted in the conversations on **May 9, 2025**. Below are the key excerpts pinpointing this uncertainty:
### Key Conversations (May 9, 2025):
1. **Initial Diagnostic Debate**:
- **PPM4** clarifies the differences between conditions:
> *"Stye is external hordeolum... Chalazion is chronic painless swelling... Internal hordeolum is an acute infection of the meibomian gland. For stye/chalazion, we don’t need oral antibiotics. But for internal hordeolum, as the infection is deep, we need oral antibiotics."*
📍 [Source: May 9, 2025, 17:12 PM]
2. **Clinical Uncertainty and Decision-Making**:
- **PPM4** reviews the patient's symptoms and images, noting:
> *"It definitely is not a stye or chalazion. It's internal hordeolum... Painful from the beginning? [Patient: Yes].*"
However, the distinction remained ambiguous initially, leading to a detailed discussion about:
- Location (superficial vs. deep).
- Need for oral antibiotics (required for internal hordeolum).
📍 [Source: May 9, 2025, 17:18–17:20 PM]
3. **Treatment Confirmation**:
- **PPM4** resolves the uncertainty by prescribing:
> *"Warm moist fomentation... Zaha eye ointment (azithromycin 1%)... T. Clavam 625 mg twice daily for 5 days (oral antibiotics for internal hordeolum)."*
📍 [Source: May 9, 2025, 17:22 PM]
### Why This Stands Out:
- **Ambiguity in Presentation**: The patient had recurrent eye issues (pain, swelling, redness), initially labeled as "infection/stye" but lacking clear differentiation between external vs. internal hordeolum.
- **Expert Disagreement**: Earlier suggestions focused on eyelid hygiene/allergy (May 8, 2025), but the May 9 discussion emphasized anatomical depth (meibomian glands) to justify oral antibiotics.
- **Resolution**: The diagnosis shifted from "possible stye/allergy" to **internal hordeolum** based on pain persistence and gland involvement.
### Supporting Context:
- The patient had a history of recurrent eye infections, dry eyes, and diabetes (predisposing to meibomian gland dysfunction).
- Prior conversations (May 8, 2025) mentioned "internal hordeolum" but lacked detailed differentiation until May 9.
### Conclusion:
The diagnostic uncertainty peaked on **May 9, 2025**, where clinical features were analyzed to distinguish internal from external hordeolum, culminating in a treatment plan for **internal hordeolum**. This is documented in the [PaJR Case Report](https://pajrcasereporter.blogspot.com/2024/12/44f-diabetes-nud-ccf-wb-pajr.html?m=1) under the May 9 entries.
For further review:
- [Direct Link to May 9 Logs](https://pajrcasereporter.blogspot.com/2024/12/44f-diabetes-nud-ccf-wb-pajr.html?m=1#2025-05-09).
[31/07, 14:56]cm: hu2 it Was good 👏. Didn't notice it earlier.🙏
[31/07, 14:57]cm: Amazing 👏👏
[31/07, 15:03]cm: Yes got it now finally!
It's from May 8th!
[08/05, 11:34] Patient Advocate Diabetes 44F WB:
Vison pain hoche,hot compress korche ma r gentle gel, refresh tears o diche. Ei ek der mash e pray 5 bar infection hoche.Eta keno bar bar hoche? Ektu tei barbar th
[08/05, 11:34] Patient Advocate Diabetes 44F WB: Thanda lege jache
[08/05, 12:00] PPM 1: Pain ta kone jaigai ektu pointer diye dekhano jabe
[08/05, 12:15]cm: Accha byatha ta oi jaigai hocche?
Aer aageo ki oi jaigai hoto?
[08/05, 12:17] Patient Advocate Diabetes 44F WB: Bivinno somoy bivinno jagai hoche kokhon o left eye kokhon o right eye te tao abar alada alada jaigai te
[08/05, 12:19] Patient Advocate Diabetes 44F WB: Na age jokhon hemarage hoto tokhon tobe ei pain last 1-1.5-month dhore Hoche. Chokher bhitore iching hoche mone hoche Monday theke.
[08/05, 12:21] Patient Advocate Diabetes 44F WB: Itching hoche
[08/05, 12:24]cm: Itching is suggestive of allergy
Can try Tablet fexofenadine 120 mg once daily
Or even Tablet Cetrizine 10 mg once one hour before dinner
[08/05, 12:25] Patient Advocate Diabetes 44F WB: Tab Cetirizine khele mukh,ha, pa puro fule jay..
[08/05, 12:27] Patient Advocate Diabetes 44F WB: Ki theke ber ber emn allergy hoche bujhbo kikore?
[08/05, 12:31]cm: Kabe prothom lokkho korechilen?
[08/05, 12:32] Patient Advocate Diabetes 44F WB: 1st time hoyechilo 2nd time Hyderabad Jaber age jokhon PaJR Eye Dr.k dekhai.
[08/05, 12:33] Patient Advocate Diabetes 44F WB: Sei thekei kichudin por por emn hoche alternate eye .
[08/05, 12:44]cm: Oh!
Ko mash holo jeno?
Koto bar holo aei niye?
[08/05, 12:51] Patient Advocate Diabetes 44F WB: Almost 2 months,
[08/05, 15:41] Patient Advocate Diabetes 44F WB: 5 times.
[08-05-2025 22.10] PPM 1: Ophthal opinion:
She needs oral antibiotics for this.
Most likely, it's an internal hordeolum.
Diabetic patients are more prone to recurrent infection.
Please restrain yourself from touching the eyes.
[08-05-2025 23:21] PPM 3: Thought for 4 seconds
[31/07, 18:05] PaJR opthalmologist: Internal hordeolum can't mimic chalazion. Chalazion is not inflammed, so non-tender, no redness, only swelling, mostly well-defined nodule. On eversison of eyelid, one can find localized redness.
[31/07, 18:13] PaJR Ophthal : It's very difficult to evert the eyelid rather impossible in case of internal hordeolum, because it's very tender.
As the meibomian glands are tightly packed within the tarsal plate, there is no space for the inflammatory exudates to spread.
The same thing happens in case scleritis, too. As the scleral fibers are tightly packed, scleritis is also very painful.
[01/08, 07:54]cn: Great inputs 👏
So i guess the diagnostic uncertainty was between scleritis/episcleritis and internal hordeolum rather than external and internal hordeolum? How did our PaJR ophthalmologist figure out it's Internal hordeolum and not scleritis or episcleritis? Was it something in her history or illness event sequence or after clinical examination?
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