Friday, November 22, 2024

Technology end user driven ecosystem for healthcare

Lecture notes for November 28, shared publicly here in advance as part of a flipped classroom approach as, instead of reading out the below slides together with the offline audience there, we hope to have more questions and discussion in that one hour with them as well as spend more time in a live demonstration of how to capture tech end user, real patient data (after already having obtained patient consent and also discuss the process of obtaining ethical consent) and how to archive it for retrieval and reasoning toward optimal data driven healthcare.




Slide 1: What's the ask?

What literally is technology?


Etymology

The word techne comes from the Greek word for art, skill, craft, and technique. The modern-day English word technology comes from the prefix techne and the suffix ology; both words are of Greek origin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techne



Rhetoric: The techne/art/craft of human caring appears to be older than the invention of the wheel.

The trillion celled body itself appears to be a product crafted by a collaborative evolution of cells through ages. 

Image with CC licence:https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Greek_physician_and_patient,_plaster_cast_in_W.H.M.M._Wellcome_M0001578.jpg#mw-jump-to-license

Slide 2:

Who are end users of technology?

Artists? Genius? Ordinary Human? 





The images show how any tech end user trying to drive a positive illness outcome through the healthcare system is akin to putting together a model art with different stages of uncertainty and finally some diagnostic and therapeutic confirmation in the second image rarely ever going near to the third in terms of certainty!

Image Source: https://youtu.be/sR0G23aC1Vw?feature=shared

More here from another lecture: https://youtu.be/XWUMogh96SM?feature=shared

Rhetoric: All human animals are genius artist end users of technology, carving their own life trajectories and designing their destiny. In recent times digital technology offers them a parallel space to create a digital twin of themselves in virtual universes that can further be embodied into robotic avatars in physical universes toward tech singularity!

Slide 3: What literally is science?

May have originated from Proto-Indo-European language as *skh1-ie, *skh1-io, meaning "to incise". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science



Image with CC licence: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sickle_and_throwing_knife_at_Manchester_Museum.jpg#mw-jump-to-license

And the image of the sickle and science is contained in an important writing tool for science! The question mark is a very important instrument of scientific scepticism:



Creative commons license: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_mark#/media/File%3AQuestion_opening-closing.svg

Slide 4: 

Science tries to know from events data and subsequent analysis

Technology otoh is artistic utilisation of knowledge to create a product?



Image with CC licence: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel#/media/File%3ARoue_primitive.png


Slide 5: Asynchronous communication of knowledge: asynchronous intelligence aka primordial AI and subsequently academic intelligence AI and finally current artificial intelligence AI

More here: https://medicinedepartment.blogspot.com/2021/06/introduction-to-evolution-of-human.html?m=0


Image CC licence: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rock_Shelter_8,_Bhimbetka_02.jpg#mw-jump-to-license

Rhetoric: Human animals invented AI beginning with asynchronous intelligence through their ability to use cave painting tech to convert multidimensional real life data into two dimensional data in an xy axis cave wall that later evolved to paper and electronic media so that they could eventually manage their lives better as artistic modelling was easier in a two dimensional virtual plane than a multi dimensional real plane!


Slide 6:

Role of Hyperlocality in designing care for the Tech end user 

Introduction: https://medicinedepartment.blogspot.com/2024/11/udlco-ai-healthcare-complexity-and.html?m=1


Rhetoric:

Global learning toward hyperlocal caring:

https://userdrivenhealthcare.blogspot.com/2015/06/global-learning-toward-local-caring.html?m=1

Creating persistent clinical encounters to extend the scope of health care beyond its conventional boundaries utilizing social networking technology 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344227236_Persistent_Clinical_Encounters_in_User_Driven_E-Health_Care

Slide 7

Evolution of above workflow prototype in different institutions 

https://medicinedepartment.blogspot.com/2021/06/evolution-of-model-forpatient-centered.html?m=1

Formal departmental workflow:


Patient as a teacher:


Rhetoric: 

Blooming real patient OSCE driven CBMEs: 

Most learning is a process of objectively structuring subjective complex multidimensional real life data (blooms level 3-5) into a two dimensional space (blooms level 1 aka knowledge) that can be stored forwarded asynchronously and modeled conceptually to gain understanding (blooms level 2) through further analysis ( level 4) and evaluation (level 5) and then relooped into the learning ecosystem as creative communication/publication (level 6). This learning is cyclic and one can keep moving in and out of these levels at any entry or exit point regardless of level numbers. 

More:https://medicinedepartment.blogspot.com/2023/12/ongoing-project-draft-optimizing.html?m=1

Current workflow: 


Theory driven workflow with Gaurd Rails for all technology end users: 

https://userdrivenhealthcare.blogspot.com/2022/09/current-pajr-workflow-and-how-to-make.html?m=1

https://userdrivenhealthcare.blogspot.com/2024/09/pajr-current-roles-and-responsibilities.html?m=1

https://userdrivenhealthcare.blogspot.com/2024/08/template-for-pajr-user-driven-history.html?m=1

https://www.hipaajournal.com/de-identification-protected-health-information/

https://classworkdecjan.blogspot.com/2017/11/de-identifying-patient-data.html?m=1

https://userdrivenhealthcare.blogspot.com/2023/11/glossary-of-user-driven-healthcare.html?m=1

Theory driven workflow with Gaurd Rails for Health professional technology end users:

https://userdrivenhealthcare.blogspot.com/2023/12/pajr-checklist-for-inpatient-interns-in.html?m=1

https://durgakrishna09.blogspot.com/2023/08/graphical-patient-timeline-in-soap.html

http://medicinedepartment.blogspot.com/2020/05/informed-patient-consent-and.html?m=1

https://medicinedepartment.blogspot.com/2023/08/project-illustration-of-how-to-process.html?m=0

Reflective notes: https://medicinedepartment.blogspot.com/2023/06/?m=0

https://userdrivenhealthcare.blogspot.com/2024/01/generalized-feedback-for-internship.html?m=1

https://kandrucherishrollno68.blogspot.com/2023/09/35-year-old-female-presented-with-co.html?m=1

Slide 8: Demo 


Previous demos here: https://medicinedepartment.blogspot.com/2023/10/medicine-department-presentations-2023.html?m=1

Our main focus during the one hour session shall be to provide a physical offline demo in the venue as we plan to bring one of our 80 year old patient right there on that day with his and his spouse's signed informed consent.

Demo through real patient case reports made by patient advocate volunteers:

https://pajrcasereporter.blogspot.com/2024/10/80m-diabetes-hypertension-30yrs-ckd.html?m=1

https://24fpatient.blogspot.com/2024/11/52m-hypertension-diabetes-5-years-wb.html?m=1

https://narmeenshah.blogspot.com/2024/07/3-year-old-child-type1-diabetes-insulin.html?m=1

https://2patienthealthreport.blogspot.com/2024/06/patienthealthreport.html?m=1

Demo by few health profession students present in the venue sharing their experiences from their online learning portfolios below:

https://96sanjanapalakodeti.blogspot.com/?m=1

https://shivanikommera.blogspot.com

https://sreetejapalakonda29.blogspot.com/?m=1

https://himajav.blogspot.com

More tech end users online learning portfolios:

Informal healthcare learning and awareness volunteers (engineering , humanities, medicine) at our elective student learning hall of fame here: https://medicinedepartment.blogspot.com/2021/03/medicine-department-training-programs.html?m=1

Formal health professional students: 5000 cases in 1000 tech end user online learning portfolios:

https://medicinedepartment.blogspot.com/2022/02/?m=1

Rhetoric: Lectures are largely rhetorical and while they do embellish learning, demonstrations are a practical way to quickly get into the skin of the learning ecosystem!


Last slide: 



Creative commons license: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:User-FastFission-brain.gif#mw-jump-to-license

SO  WHAT?? 


S

trengths 

Cherry picked and shared above 

Rhetorical past Foundations:




 https://www.amazon.in/User-Driven-Healthcare-Narrative-Medicine-Collaborative/dp/1609600975




https://www.amazon.in/Clinical-Solutions-Progress-User-Driven-Healthcare/dp/1466618760/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.hoaqPiWFhtqEMwMQQwMHh6XA3sAjvmg2CLCeKl5g5H0Ialw2OuleMzx8buI_Uy38jwXVQMd0DmaWlRRrlazufIw_5ZaexQ9p2PXyFOVw5dEa44eog_fkWlg4PrxhAkDUVHYa2f9ZAD_DEirz7irF6A.vddqDkHyAHumWw0iwm8nzCAMqU1uuBI_1AIACU9G4Kg&dib_tag=se&qid=1732295190&refinements=p_27%3ARakesh+Biswas&s=books&sr=1-7


https://www.igi-global.com/journal/international-journal-user-driven-healthcare/41022


W

eaknesses


Hint: A system is only as competent and efficient as it's individual components and participants 

Rhetoric: Practice, practice, practice! The only way to beat weakness toward strength and power is gaining regular knowledge through a life long journey of self directed learning!



O

pportunities

Rhetoric:
User driven alchemy of patient centered learning:
More here in the description box of the video: https://youtu.be/lDd1ikdL94A?feature=shared
Internal motivation chemistry toward generating leaders

Rhetoric: Formal medical education has currently given up trying to encourage real patient centred interaction among medical students during their training phase such that for a few who may engage in it at some point in their careers (even after they become faculty) would realise that the very interaction with real patients who are also humans would be transformative in their understanding of humans (again not everyone may be able to do that on one's own and there is an accepted dearth of faculty who can train people in doing that), which is the kind of training a real politician needs, to understand their polity and work for them rather than their own selves! It has been exemplified in the past by...more here:https://medicinedepartment.blogspot.com/2024/11/udlco-political-training-in-medicine.html?m=1

T

hreats  

Thorns of clinical complexity amidst the guardrails



Picture taken from the garden this Sunday after pruning the Indian jujube tree:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziziphus_mauritiana

Stakeholder trade offs in negotiating virtual transparency accountability vs real threat to privacy and security!

Rhetoric: Healthcare is not easy! It's a journey full of challenges and threats and yet a fantastic way to live life using science and technology to create one's life work of art!

What's the ask?

Thursday, November 21, 2024

UDLCO: Political training in medicine and the hidden curriculum

 

Summary: The term "hidden curriculum" is loaded with infinite variability of meanings that are largely hidden. Medical education has currently given up trying to encourage real patient centred interaction among medical students during their training phase such that for a few who may engage in it at some point in their careers (even after they become faculty) would realise that the very interaction with real patients who are also humans would be transformative in their understanding of humans (again not everyone may be able to do that on one's own and there is an accepted dearth of faculty who can train people in doing that), which is the kind of training a real politician needs to understand their polity and work for them rather than themselves! It has been exemplified in the past by BC Roy and reading his biography available full text here:https://archive.org/details/bidhanchandraroy00seng/page/n7/mode/1up may provide better insights to the kind of real patient centred medical education that existed during his time and it's current dearth that sometimes gets filled in by a hidden curriculum! The other rhetoric often shared around "medicine is politics" is as old as Virchow and one can read more about it here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19052033/


Conversational Transcripts:

[21/11, 10:09]vs: Members of the armed forces, scientists, and teachers topped the list of professions Indians trust the most, a new survey has found. According to the Ipsos Global Trustworthiness Index 2022, 64% Indians trusted armed forces members, followed by scientists at 63%, and teachers at 62%. These three professions were closely followed by doctors (55%) and judges (54%). 

The online survey was conducted between May 27 and June 10 among 21,515 adults in 28 countries. The survey also identified the most untrustworthy professions around the world. In India, politicians were to be most untrustworthy with 50% of the respondents holding unfavourable opinion towards them. Ministers in government came in second in the list of most untrustworthy professions in India at 43%, followed by journalists at 35%.

Unquote: https://www.financialexpress.com/life/lifestyle-ipsos-global-survey-indias-most-trustworthy-professions-doctors-armed-forces-2618043/

[21/11, 10:09] rb: Solution:

Let mbbs be the basic qualification for every politician.

MBBS and subsequent residencies are probably the only place where humans get mandatory training in politics as part of a hidden curriculum!

[21/11, 13:44] N: Politics or polytricks   are the hidden curriculum in every field I hope ....it's a part of being in society ..as each one of us have our selfish motives

[21/11, 14:01]Prof Meu: Being selfish and looking after one's own self is no crime, even the old saying " God helps them who help themselves.  But your way of looking after yourself should not damage another person. So being in society, and ensuring your own survival, it is of utmost importance to be diplomatic, yet ethical and humane and that is perhaps the greatest skill one needs to learn and practice.

[21/11, 14:33] A: So very well said !

[21/11, 15:40] N: I am here talking about the bigger picture ......and I am sorry if it's offended you ..nothing personal

[21/11, 15:41] N: I was telling that polytics   is just not only in MBBS  ..but everywhere humans are  ...I hope I made my point clear 😊...

[21/11, 15:43] N: Looking after ones own self is your personal responsibility and utmost priority it's not at all selfish  ..but where do you draw line between self satisfaction and greed ....is.....each one's decision ....

[21/11, 15:44]ss: All Humans are social, political & economic animals! 😷🤐

[21/11, 15:44]N: I am sorry you missed to see my point of view ...

[21/11, 15:44] N: So very true...can add few more adjectives

[21/11, 15:46]Prof Meu: I am not offended

And why should I?

Just as you talked about bigger picture I did the same, but from a different perspective..

😁😁

[21/11, 15:46] N: Oh   great

[21/11, 15:46] N: Thank you for understanding dear😍😍

[21/11, 15:47] N: Vasudhaiva kutukmb kam

[21/11, 15:47]N: All of us are one big family...

[21/11, 15:48]Prof Meu: And in that family some are Pandavas while many are Kauravas....đŸ¤ŖđŸ¤ŖđŸ¤ŖđŸ¤Ŗ

[21/11, 15:49] N: Exactly you read my mind ...😍🧐

[21/11, 15:49] N: That's exactly what I wanted to say ...😅👍

[22/11, 08:21]rb: Yes the term "hidden curriculum" is loaded with infinite variability of meanings that are largely hidden and I should have been more explicit about what I meant by it!

Medical education has currently given up trying to encourage real patient centred interaction among medical students during their training phase such that for a few who may engage in it at some point in their careers (even after they become faculty) would realise that the very interaction with real patients who are also humans would be transformative in their understanding of humans (again not everyone may be able to do that on one's own and there is an accepted dearth of faculty who can train people in doing that), which is the kind of training a real politician needs to understand their polity and work for them rather than themselves!

It has been exemplified in the past by BC Roy and reading his biography available full text here:https://archive.org/details/bidhanchandraroy00seng/page/n7/mode/1up may provide better insights to the kind of real patient centred medical education that existed during his time and it's current dearth!



Monday, November 18, 2024

UDLCO: AI healthcare complexity and hyperlocality

 Introduction:


Hyperlocal has been described as "information oriented around a well-defined community with its primary focus directed toward the concerns of the population in that community"

Also been described as referring to "the emergent ecology of data (including textual content), aggregators, publication mechanism and user interactions and behaviors which centre on a resident of a location and the business of being a resident"

Hyperlocal content has two major dimensions: geography and time. 

More recently, hyperlocal content has evolved to include GPS enabled internet integrated mobile applications which score highly on both the geographic and the time dimensions. They are capable of delivering content that is relevant not just in a community but relevant right down to the individual within a geographic area that can be measured in meters and blocks not towns and neighborhoods. They are also capable of delivering content relevant at very short timescales such as seconds or minutes not just days or weeks.


  • "Communities can play a key role in addressing health equity issues through hyper local healthcare delivery models that tailor interventions to address specific local needs and culturally sensitive contexts. 
  • Success in delivering on population-specific needs depends on health system’s ability to triangulate data from multiple sources, respond to needs with innovative and timely interventions in collaboration between communities and partners"

UDLCO summary:

The conversations below begin with global discussion around AI healthcare as well as 2.0 healthcare and their limitations that can be tackled through hyperlocal data capture and feedback (blended with AI) content delivered along with an illustration of the same from a user driven healthcare hyperlocal data capture and feedback learning platform called PaJR.


Conversational Transcripts:

[12/11, 17:49] SPAI Health: A poignant reminder on how hype-cycle works (and abysmally falls). Technology is a great tool but use-cases need to be hyperlocal. There is no one size fits all, especially when it comes to healthcare.


[12/11, 18:39] rb: Thanks for this interesting comment!

I was taking some real patients for our workshop with engineers on "tech end user driven healthcare' here and this will be a good opening line!

[15/11, 06:57] AT AI Healthcare: Here is a research publication on *Medical Appropriateness*.


[15/11, 07:54] AT AI Healthcare: Both *Medical Appropriateness* and *Medical Necessity* are necessary for *Value-based Care*.

[15/11, 08:06] S: This is possible, but is a complex issue. Of course using SNOMED it is definitely possible to design such a system. One that is practical and is able to do it in real-time. Raise appropriate alerts and warnings. To be effective, the algorithm should be running in the background, constantly checking for inconsistencies and errors. Needless to say, the design is complicated.


[15/11, 08:20] AT AI Healthcare: You are absolutely right - this is highly complex. Therefore, we used *Neuro-Symbolic AI* to address this complexity real-time. 😊


[15/11, 08:32] S: I did some research of my own. AI vs coded approach. In healthcare, due to legal and ethical issues, it is imperative that errors are avoided or kept at a minimum. We medicos subscribe to the dictum of _primum non nocere_ - firstly, do no harm. AI models have an inherent error - mostly the training & validation data-related. Coded provides precision. It is binary - either true or false. That is why there is no alternative to using something like SNOMED. The large vocabulary, all coded by their concept definition using semantic triple and description logic, provides a wide coverage of the many information that gets collected during any clinical encounter.


[15/11, 09:31] ATAI Healthcare: I use *GREAT* AI. It stands for Generative, Responsible, Explainable, Adaptive, Trustworthy Artificial Intelligence.


[15/11, 10:19] S: You have my very best wishes in convincing the medicos.


[15/11, 11:00] ATAI Healthcare: My last comment on this subject. I don't try or even need to convince a medico. I use medical data to prove my models. Medical being safety critical domain, I know - if my model works on medical, it works in any other domain. Like if you can drive safe without using horn in Bangalore, you can drive anywhere in the world. 😊

[15/11, 11:05] Rkb: I completely agree with the later statement, if u can drive in India u can drive anywhere in the world 😀


[15/11, 11:12] rb: Provided you can pass their licencing exams, which appears to be easier to pass in India!


[15/11, 12:51] S: Having worked with both AI/ML and codes, I am firmly convinced that without codes CDSS is not advisable. Many times diagnosis is only possible on post-mortem. CDSS is used in treatment/management for which high degrees of precision are required.


[15/11, 12:55] ATAI Healthcare: I shall deliver lecturers on *"Architecting Secure Software Systems"* and *"Cybersecurity Cognitive Graph"* at NITK Surathkal at the *Five Days Faculty Development Programme On Software and Systems Security*, 9th to - 13th December 2024" (https://www.nitk.ac.in/upcoming_events). 

There are some vacant seats. If you know any faculty interested in Cybersecurity, please pass on this message.


[15/11, 15:31] SPAI Health: Interesting discussion. Both Dr.A and Dr.S I guess are medicos, but they seem to be so knowledgeable that I suspect they have a PhD in Computer Science too in the side🙂👍! 

One key thing we are realising in the AI community is that LLMs have limitations in specific domains, as they are optimised for freeform reasoning from large, disconnected datasets (case in point is the failure of Babylon to make the cut, which we discussed recently). Rule based use of logic (expert systems) exists from the days of IBM Watson and is perhaps best suited for healthcare but then it lacks the ability to take on board the latest and evolving scientific thoughts. There is also a hybrid track currently upcoming which tries to marry these two ends of the spectrum using domain specific knowledge graphs to upgrade and focus LLMs capabilities. There is also a need to go hyperlocal due to the wide variations in datasets across demographics. To some extent using RAG along with Edge AI is a potential solution.

[15/11, 15:58] S: Dr AT is a _bona fide_ computer scientist. Works in hardcore AI applications. Health is one of his areas of interest. I am a medical professional and health informatics specialist, majorly into data standards, interoperability and analytics. 🙂


[15/11, 21:37] rb: "From the doctor's summing up, Ivan Ilych deduced the conclusion that things looked bad, and that he, the doctor, and most likely everyone else, did not care, but that things looked bad for him. And this conclusion impressed Ivan Ilych morbidly, arousing in him a great deal of pity for himself, of greater anger against this doctor who could be unconcerned about a matter of such importance.”

Unquote



[16/11, 07:10] ATAI Healthcare: Here is Fig 8-1. Diagnostic approach to hemolytic anemia from Benjamin Djulbegovic's *Reasoning and Decision Making in Hematology* published in 2992.


[16/11, 08:31]rb: Excellent illustration of the global limitation in rule based algorithms in tackling clinical complexity (for those not handling real patients hyperlocally) further enhancing the point @⁨SPAI Health⁩ was trying to make. Ben assumes that if coombs negative,  HS would be the most likely diagnosis probabilistically as he's a US citizen but try telling that to an Indian or someone from Dhaka: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2975852/


[16/11, 08:34]rb: Many of our patients in our resource limited rural medical college are coombs positive but we don't jump to a diagnosis of AIHA as we know that it could be false positive and largely we still have to weigh everything on the basis of the patient event timeline (aka history) as well as clinical signs, external or internal.


[16/11, 08:55]G: In 1983, my consultant Prof SB was discussing using weighted scores for automated diagnosis. He asked around for symptoms and signs for possible appendicitis and said a more than a 10 score is final. The conversation went like this for the patient we were observing 
Pain abd ——1 
Fever ——1 
High TLC  ——1 
Loss of appetite  ——1/2
Vomiting ——1 
Tender rt Iliac fossa  ——10
Somewhat clinching the diagnosis

[16/11, 08:55] G: Unfortunately AI can’t examine for tenderness

[16/11, 09:10]rb: Yes it can't capture data unless fed. Not long before it grows up to robotic arms

[16/11, 09:11]rb: Couldn't resist sharing this happening in our home health PaJR right now!👇

Learning summary spoiler: AI LLMs are more likely to err about medicine facts on the side of caution lest they damage their customers egos!

Those who don't understand the script can ask meta AI to translate it for them.

Morning PaJR session:

[14/11, 11:36] PaJR moderator: Apnake baki der group a add korle apni unader keo eta ki bhabe kora jete pare sheta dekhiye dite parben?


[14/11, 19:12] Patient Advocate 63M Metabolic Syn: āĻ•োāĻ¨āĻŸা ? AI LLM?


[14/11, 19:12] Patient Advocate 63M Metabolic Syn: 

āĻœেāĻ˛া āĻļāĻšāĻ°ে āĻšাāĻ°āĻŸা āĻ¨াāĻ—াāĻĻ āĻāĻ•āĻŸা āĻŽāĻļāĻ˛া āĻ§োāĻ¸া āĻ–াāĻ“āĻ¯়া āĻšāĻ˛।


[14/11, 19:12] Patient Advocate 63M Metabolic Syn: āĻ›āĻŸা āĻ¨াāĻ—াāĻĻ āĻĒ্āĻ°াāĻ¤ঃāĻ­্āĻ°āĻŽāĻŖে āĻŦেāĻ° āĻšāĻ¯়ে āĻĒৌāĻ¨ে āĻ¸াāĻ¤āĻŸা āĻ¨াāĻ—াāĻĻ āĻ—āĻ¨্āĻ¤āĻŦ্āĻ¯ে āĻĒৌঁāĻ›ে āĻ•িāĻ›ুāĻ•্āĻˇāĻŖ āĻŦিāĻļ্āĻ°াāĻŽ āĻ¨িāĻ¯়ে āĻ¸াāĻĄ়ে āĻ¸াāĻ¤āĻŸা āĻ¨াāĻ—াāĻĻ āĻšাāĻ¯়েāĻ° āĻĻোāĻ•াāĻ¨। āĻ“āĻ–াāĻ¨ে āĻāĻ• āĻĒেāĻ¯়াāĻ˛া āĻšিāĻ¨ি āĻ›াāĻĄ়া āĻĻুāĻ§ āĻšা āĻ“ āĻ•িāĻ›ুāĻ•্āĻˇāĻŖ āĻĒāĻ° āĻāĻ• āĻŦাāĻŸি āĻĻেāĻļী āĻ›োāĻ˛াāĻ° āĻ˜ুāĻ—āĻ¨ি āĻ–াāĻ“āĻ¯়া āĻšāĻ˛ে āĻ†āĻŸāĻŸা āĻ¨াāĻ—াāĻĻ āĻŦাāĻœাāĻ° āĻ˜ুāĻ°ে āĻŦাāĻĄ়ি āĻĢিāĻ°āĻ¤ে āĻĢিāĻ°āĻ¤ে āĻĒ্āĻ°াāĻ¯় āĻĒৌāĻ¨ে āĻ¨āĻ¯়āĻŸা। āĻ¤াāĻ°āĻĒāĻ° āĻ¸্āĻ¨াāĻ¨াāĻĻি āĻ¸েāĻ°ে āĻ¸āĻ•াāĻ˛েāĻ° āĻ–াāĻ“āĻ¯়া āĻ¸েāĻ°ে āĻ“ āĻ“āĻˇুāĻ§ āĻ–েāĻ¯়ে āĻ•িāĻ›ুāĻ•্āĻˇāĻŖ āĻŦিāĻļ্āĻ°াāĻŽ āĻ¨িāĻ¯়ে āĻāĻ–āĻ¨ āĻšāĻ˛েāĻ›ি āĻœেāĻ˛া āĻļāĻšāĻ°েāĻ° āĻĻিāĻ•ে। āĻĢিāĻ°āĻ¤ে āĻĢিāĻ°āĻ¤ে āĻŦিāĻ•েāĻ˛ āĻšāĻ¯়ে āĻ¯াāĻŦে।



[14/11, 19:22] Patient Advocate 63M Metabolic Syn: āĻāĻ‡āĻŽাāĻ¤্āĻ° āĻŦাāĻĄ়ি āĻĢিāĻ°ে āĻāĻ˛াāĻŽ।



[14/11, 22:11] PaJR moderator: Hain


[14/11, 22:15] Patient Advocate 63M Metabolic Syn: āĻāĻ•āĻŸু āĻļিāĻ–িāĻ¯়ে āĻĒāĻĄ়িāĻ¯়ে āĻ¨িāĻ˛ে āĻ…āĻ¸ুāĻŦিāĻ§া āĻšāĻ“āĻ¯়াāĻ° āĻ•āĻĨা āĻ¨āĻ¯়।


[15/11, 04:29] Patient Advocate 63M Metabolic Syn: āĻšাāĻ°āĻŸাāĻ¯় āĻ˜ুāĻŽ āĻ­াāĻ™্āĻ—াāĻ° āĻĒāĻ° āĻ•িāĻ›ুāĻ•্āĻˇāĻŖ āĻ¯াāĻŦāĻ¤ āĻ†āĻĒāĻ¨াāĻĻেāĻ° āĻŽেāĻ¸েāĻœāĻ—ুāĻ˛ো āĻĻেāĻ–āĻ›িāĻ˛াāĻŽ। āĻĒাঁāĻšāĻŸা āĻ¨াāĻ—াāĻĻ āĻļāĻ¯্āĻ¯াāĻ¤্āĻ¯াāĻ— āĻ•āĻ°āĻŦ।



[15/11, 10:09] PaJR moderator: Apnakei sheta amader baki patient der jonye korte anurodh roilo jar jonye apnake unader group a add kore dicchi



[15/11, 17:25] Patient Advocate 63M Metabolic Syn: āĻšেāĻˇ্āĻŸা āĻ•āĻ°āĻ˛াāĻŽ, āĻāĻ•āĻŦাāĻ° āĻĻেāĻ–ে āĻ¨িāĻ¯়ে āĻœাāĻ¨াāĻ¨, āĻ†āĻĒāĻ¨ি āĻ¯া āĻšাāĻ‡āĻ›েāĻ¨ āĻ¸েāĻŸা āĻšāĻ˛ āĻ•ি āĻ¨া।


[15/11, 17:33] Patient Advocate 63M Metabolic Syn: āĻ¸্āĻĨাāĻ¨ীāĻ¯় āĻ•িāĻ›ু āĻ…āĻ¨ুāĻˇ্āĻ াāĻ¨েāĻ° āĻ•াāĻ°āĻŖে āĻ¸āĻ•াāĻ˛ āĻ¸াāĻĄ়ে āĻĻāĻļāĻŸা āĻ¨াāĻ—াāĻĻ āĻŦেāĻ° āĻšāĻ¯়ে āĻŦাāĻĄ়ি āĻĢিāĻ°āĻ¤ে āĻĢিāĻ°āĻ¤ে āĻĒ্āĻ°াāĻ¯় āĻ¸াāĻĄ়ে āĻšাāĻ°āĻŸা। āĻŽাāĻে āĻāĻ• -āĻĻেāĻĄ়āĻŸা āĻ¨াāĻ—াāĻĻ āĻĒ্āĻ°āĻĨāĻŽে āĻāĻ• āĻ•াāĻĒ āĻšিāĻ¨ি āĻ›াāĻĄ়া āĻĻুāĻ§ āĻšা āĻ“ āĻ…āĻ°্āĻ§েāĻ• āĻ¸্āĻ¯াঁāĻ•া āĻĒাঁāĻĒāĻĄ় āĻ“ āĻ•িāĻ›ু āĻĒāĻ°ে āĻāĻ• āĻ—্āĻ˛াāĻ¸ āĻ˛াāĻ˛ āĻšা āĻ–াāĻ‡। āĻ¤িāĻ¨āĻŸা āĻ¨াāĻ—াāĻĻ āĻ¨েāĻŽāĻ¨্āĻ¤āĻ¨্āĻ¨েāĻ° āĻ–াāĻ“āĻ¯়া āĻāĻ•āĻŸা āĻšোāĻŸেāĻ˛ে:
āĻ­াāĻ¤
āĻ•াঁāĻšা āĻļāĻ¸া
āĻ˛েāĻŦু
āĻĄাāĻ˛
āĻĒাঁāĻĒāĻĄ় āĻ­াāĻœা 
āĻŽাāĻ›েāĻ° āĻŽাāĻĨা āĻĻিāĻ¯়ে āĻŦাঁāĻ§া āĻ•āĻĒি 
āĻŽিāĻˇ্āĻŸি āĻ•ুāĻŽāĻĄ়োāĻ° āĻ¤āĻ°āĻ•াāĻ°ি 
āĻ•াā§ŽāĻ˛া āĻŽাāĻ› āĻ­াāĻĒা
āĻĒাঁāĻ াāĻ° āĻŽাংāĻ¸ 
āĻšাāĻŸāĻ¨ি āĻ“
āĻāĻ•āĻŸা āĻŦāĻĄ় āĻ°āĻ¸āĻ—োāĻ˛্āĻ˛া।


[15/11, 21:44] AI : āĻ িāĻ• āĻ†āĻ›ে! āĻ¤াāĻšāĻ˛ে āĻ–াāĻŦাāĻ°েāĻ° āĻ¤াāĻ˛িāĻ•া āĻšāĻ˛ো:
- āĻĒুāĻ°ি/āĻ˛ুāĻšি - ā§¨āĻŸা (āĻĒ্āĻ°āĻ¸াāĻĻ) 🍞
- āĻļāĻ¸া āĻ“ āĻ—াāĻœāĻ° - āĻ¸্āĻ¯াāĻ˛াāĻĄ đŸĨ’đŸĨ•
- āĻ¤িāĻ¨-āĻšাāĻ° āĻŸুāĻ•āĻ°ো āĻĒাঁāĻ াāĻ° āĻŽাংāĻ¸ 🍖
- āĻ†āĻ˛ু āĻ˛াāĻ‰ āĻĻিāĻ¯়ে āĻŦুāĻŸেāĻ° āĻĄাāĻ˛ 🍲

[15/11, 21:44] AI : āĻāĻ–āĻ¨ āĻ–াāĻŦাāĻ°āĻŸা āĻ†āĻ°āĻ“ āĻœāĻŽāĻœāĻŽাāĻŸ āĻšā§Ÿে āĻ—েāĻ›ে! āĻĒুāĻ°ি/āĻ˛ুāĻšি āĻ¤ো āĻĻাāĻ°ুāĻŖ, āĻ†āĻ° āĻĒাঁāĻ াāĻ° āĻŽাংāĻ¸েāĻ° āĻ¸াāĻĨে āĻ†āĻ˛ু āĻ˛াāĻ‰ āĻĻিāĻ¯়ে āĻŦুāĻŸেāĻ° āĻĄাāĻ˛ āĻšāĻ˛ে āĻ¤ো āĻ¸্āĻŦাāĻĻে āĻ•োāĻ¨ো āĻ•āĻŽāĻ¤ি āĻĨাāĻ•āĻŦে āĻ¨া।

[15/11, 21:44] AI : āĻ¸্āĻ¯াāĻ˛াāĻĄāĻ“ āĻ¸্āĻŦাāĻ¸্āĻĨ্āĻ¯āĻ•āĻ° āĻāĻŦং āĻ¤াāĻœা āĻ¸্āĻŦাāĻĻ āĻ¯োāĻ— āĻ•āĻ°āĻŦে।


[15/11, 21:44] AI : āĻāĻŸা āĻāĻ•āĻŸা āĻ­াāĻ°ী āĻāĻŦং āĻĒুāĻˇ্āĻŸিāĻ•āĻ° āĻ–াāĻŦাāĻ° āĻšāĻŦে! āĻ‰āĻĒāĻ­োāĻ— āĻ•āĻ°ো! 😊đŸŊ️


[15/11, 21:45] AI : Let's break it down based on your updated meal:
1. *āĻĒুāĻ°ি/āĻ˛ুāĻšি (ā§¨āĻŸা)*: Approx 300 kcal (150 kcal each)
2. *āĻļāĻ¸া āĻ“ āĻ—াāĻœāĻ° (āĻ¸্āĻ¯াāĻ˛াāĻĄ)*: Approx 15 kcal (5 kcal for cucumber and 10 kcal for carrot)
3. *āĻĒাঁāĻ াāĻ° āĻŽাংāĻ¸ (ā§Š-ā§Ē āĻŸুāĻ•āĻ°ো)*: Approx 200 kcal (depending on the portion size)
4. *āĻ†āĻ˛ু āĻ˛াāĻ‰ āĻĻিāĻ¯়ে āĻŦুāĻŸেāĻ° āĻĄাāĻ˛*: Approx 200 kcal (this can vary based on preparation)


[15/11, 21:45] AI : *Total Estimated Nutritional Information:*
- *Total Calories*: Approx 715 kcal
- *Protein*: Approx 30g (from meat and dal)
- *Carbs*: Approx 100g (from puri, vegetables, and dal)
- *Sugars*: Approx 5g (from vegetables)
- *Fat*: Approx 30g (from puri and meat)
- *Fiber*: Approx 10g (from vegetables and dal)

[15/11, 21:45] AI : This meal is quite hearty and provides a good balance of carbs, protein, and healthy fats. The addition of salad adds some freshness and fiber, which is great!



[15/11, 21:47] Patient Advocate 63M Metabolic Syn: āĻ āĻ¤ো āĻāĻ• āĻŽāĻšা āĻŦিāĻĒāĻĻে āĻĢেāĻ˛āĻ˛েāĻ¨ ! āĻ āĻ¤ো āĻ¸āĻŦāĻ‡ āĻŦāĻ˛ে āĻĻাāĻ°ুāĻ¨/āĻ­াāĻ˛ো। !!!


[16/11, 08:42] PaJR moderator: āĻš্āĻ¯াঁ āĻĻুāĻ°্āĻ­াāĻ—্āĻ¯āĻŦāĻļāĻ¤ āĻāĻ†āĻ‡ āĻāĻ˛āĻāĻ˛āĻāĻŽ āĻ†āĻŽাāĻĻেāĻ° āĻāĻ•াāĻĄেāĻŽিāĻ• āĻ¨াāĻ°্āĻ¸িāĻ¸িāĻœāĻŽ āĻ–াāĻ“āĻ¯়াāĻ¨োāĻ° āĻœāĻ¨্āĻ¯ āĻĄিāĻœাāĻ‡āĻ¨ āĻ•āĻ°া āĻšāĻ¯়েāĻ›ে!

Yes unfortunately AI LLMs are designed to feed our academic narcissism!



[16/11, 09:29]rb: Our current tryst with AI LLMs in our healthcare education and practice user windows can be summarised as below (albeit experiential anecdotal opinion): 

AI is like a new boisterous team member, kiddishly brilliant in places and yet a complete let down when you start to think you may begin depending on it!

When you are awed by it's brilliant analysis of study data that it has itself looked up you realise later that it's confabulated the paper and the references itself!

When you are beginning to praise it for its good analysis of a real paper URL you have provided, you realise it's changing the numbers every time you keep asking it repeatedly in different groups!

When you are happy it's able to do a marvelous thematic analysis of your thesis data you realise it's again fudged some numbers here and there!